KatRob sorry the witch got you. She is so cruel.

Bumblbee how is it going? It just gets harder doesn't it? I dared to hope last cycle and yet another BFN for us

Loopy the trip was lovely but I'm just a nervous wreck when we go out just in case anything goes wrong.Plus, you wouldn't believe how many of the public stop and stare at us which makes my blood boil. Sadly the world is still full of ignorance and prejudice.

Now how have you got on today? xXx

Loopy I hope you are ok hun and that your appointment gave you some positive news.

Betty its such a shame that people are like that. Especially when you are trying to do something so good, I honestly don't know how you don't just say something to them.

Not done much today, was trying to fill my time and not think of ttc or babies but it didn't work. I am a woman obsessed!

xx

Hi ladies well we went to the doctor's for our results. I'm a bit annoyed because we were told that the first SA wasn't tested as there wasn't enough but she had our results on the computer!!! All the results were fine such as volume etc but on both readings the Sperm Morphology was really low only 2% and 5% on the last one.

The doctor didn't seem bothered and sort of brushed it aside but said that hubby has to do a 3rd SA!! We pushed to find out what the result should be and she said 15% or above. I've since looked on line and our results mean that only 2% or 5% of DH's sperm is the correct shape so it looks likes the chances of us doing it on our own are pretty slim even with a normal volume. I've looked online and people with low Sperm Morphology seem to have had ICSI for treatment.

We asked how long the waiting list is, she said about 6 months for the initial fertility appointment and then a year-year and a half for treatment. She went onto say that I'm only 30 so people who are older are at the top of the list so to speak. I can't how she can say 'only 30' its not as if I'm 21 and they advise you to have a family before 35. So we're on the waiting list for the fertility clinic and Dh has to do another SA just feeling really frustrated at the moment it feels like we're going backwards and annoyed that the doctor more or less shrugged it off I'm now feeling that there is no chance of us doing it on our own.
*Sigh* x

Oh loopy I am sorry to hear the doctor wasn't helpful. Is there maybe another one you could see who could answer some more of your questions? I'm sorry it wasn't better news for you hun, I don't blame you for feeling frustrated with it all. They don't seem to realise that to them its a 6 month wait but to the person going through it feels like a lifetime. *****Big hugs*****

xx

Thanks MrsM87 I know the trouble is we'll be at the 2year mark then after that there is a 1 to a 1 and half wait before any treatment even starts so thats another 1 and a half to 2 years, jsut can't see me being able to cope with that as I'm really struggling now.

I spoke with DH we're going to wait for his 3rd SA which hopefully won't be too long and see how long the wait is going to be with the NHS. In the meantime I've booked us in for an open evening in January at a local IVF clinic so at least we can find out what treatments are available/costs and arm ourselves with as much information as possible.

I'm feeling pretty crap about it wish we could talk to a preofessional jsut to properly assess what our chances are of getting pregnant naturally. Hope you have a good day thank crunchie its Friday! x

Loopy: Doctor sounds poo! Maybe speak to another one? Or would that just take longer? Hope you get some good results soon.

Betty: I'm OK. In a lot of pain as AF came with a vengance today (on my day off!) -- I swear they're getting more painful the longer I TTC but it could all be in my head. Going to try to forget it in Dec and just try again in Jan. Then will go docs in Feb if still nothing. :'(

Loopy I hope the open evening gives you a lot more info and helps you through the options you have. Don't give up all hope though, there is still a chance it could happen for you. I had a quick google and the first 2 pages I saw looked promising, although you have probably already seen them so sorry if I am just repeating things to you.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sperm-morphology/AN01305
http://infertilityblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/sperm-morphology-mythology.html

Bumblbee so sorry af got you hun, I hope she doesn't hang about too long.

xx

Thanks MrsM for finding that info for me it's so nice of u x

Bumblbee sorry to hear AF came. The one where I thought maybe.... well that was heavy and painful too. Its always worse then.

Loopy I hope the open evening goes well for you too. I have heard they are great. 2 friends have been persuading me to go but I will wait till I have more info to discuss with them.

How are you doing Mrs M?

I had my HSG today. I won't et the results for a fortnight though. I was a bit sad coz most places feedback immediately. Oh well. I'm off to see a psychic tomorrow so hopefully she will have good news for me xXx

Loopy its no trouble I was intrigued to see what it would say, just hope there is something useful there

Betty how annoying you have to wait 2 weeks for the result. Will you have to go back to your gp?
I am ok thank you Was trying to take my mind off things and relax a bit more but it just doesn't work. Ended up discussing names with hubs last night and I have just been window shopping (well the online equivalent) for prams again! It really is pointless trying to distract myself now, I'm just going with it and hoping it will help me make decisions later on. I really hope we fall pg soon as there is some weird stuff happening at work to do with contracts and benefits etc.

xx

Mrs M I am just the same. I have been browsing too. Its so difficult.

Today is fairly poo. I have had my hsg and the whole procedue has got me really worried (I have posted seperately about that), today is the anniversary of when we lost my lovely nan one year ago and then I had a row with my mum and dad who I adore. I have spend all day wailing and now I'm tired. Again. Hubs has bought me Baileys and chocolate though so thats a start. I hope this psychic says something nice

Edited to take out a comment about someone who may read this being a nosey parker that they are :lol: and I don't mean one of the lovely posters

Betty sending you lots of big hugs hun. I'll go have a look at your other post in a mo. (I am terrible for only looking at threads I am subscribed to). I'm sorry today has been tough for you. Your hubs sounds like a star for bringing you some Baileys and chocolate, I quite fancy Baileys now.

**Edited after seeing your edit, don't want to get you in trouble!
xx

Morning ladies, hope everyone is well?? Has anybody had any snow yet??? I'm hoping for some soon!!

I got my first peak this morning, which is a double positive as after last mc my last two cycles have been 40 days, today is cd17 which means I'm back to a 32 day cycle and normal again!!

However 14 days from ovulation = Christmas day!!!!!!!

Thanks Mrs M

3052- no snow here. I hope it stays away till work is finished Great news about your cycles getting back to normal. Imagine a BFP on christmas day. I don't think I'd have the bottle to test though. If I ov on the day I think I will, I will be testing on new years day but may well bottle that too!

Well I saw my psychic and she was amazing! She saw loads of stuff, including that we were having fertility tests. On the down side she said we would conceive but it would take a couple of years and be so hard we will decide to only have one. Oh goody

3054 yay for your peak!! Do you think you'll test on Christmas day if af hasn't arrived or wait a day? No snow here yet, was hoping we'd get some over the weekend as we are putting our decorations up tomorrow, doesn't look likely though! Happy bding!

Betty there is a good chance I will be testing around New years too, just waiting to see when I ov. I hope the psychic was wrong about it taking a couple of years to conceive. I'm not sure whether I would fancy seeing one as I'd be too disappointed if I didn't like what they had said to me.

Not much from me, been working all day today, looking forward to tomorrow off. Hubs mum said something to him today about us having a 3 month old next Christmas, I was like does she know something we don't?! I knew she thought we were ttc but shes clearly been putting more thought into it than I thought. :lol: there are too many thoughts in that sentence but I'm too tired to re do!

xx

Hi ladies, how are we all? Sorry to hear no BFPs and instead the witch has shown up for some of you . I'm still bemused as to my last one but taking it as just one of those things. I'm insanely jealous of you all knowing when AF is due and knowing when you can test, as I have absolutely no idea!

Betty I have always wanted to see a psychic but I am scared because if they say we cant have children I will be devastated, and then I dont know how much to believe having seen lots of things about sceptics and how they know the things they told you. I hope she was wrong about it taking a couple of years for you, and there only being the one - dont let it make you fulfil it (if that makes sense). Thats the other thing putting me off is that once you have been told that is your future, you subconsciously make decisions and take actions that will lead you to that end. Hope the next two weeks doesnt drag too much and you get good results from your HSG xx

MrsM sounds like your mother in law knows something you dont! We havent, well I havent, really told many people we are ttc. My mum knows, because I knew she had trouble conceiving my sister and me and we had a chat about it and it turns out she was on Clomid and it still took 8 years to fall pregnant with my sister. I was conceived a year and a half later though, so luckily quicker second time round! I have told my best friends that we arent trying any more at the moment, as the constant "nothing happened yet?" and when one was talking about her stepson she kept turning to me and saying "im sorry i know you are trying" which just got boring and so I said we arent at the moment. :roll: I have a suspicion hubs may have told his brother and dad though, as he works with them. We went to hubbys grandad's funeral a few weeks ago and hubs' brother said "ahh well you will have a boy anyway, we all did" and I looked at him like "what??" and he said "come on its about time!" I was so upset! Had to get in a car with hubs' sister and her fiance though, and then go to the after do so I couldnt come home and cry lol. You sound like me working lots, I have done overtime the last few weekends. All money for Christmas I suppose. I end up window shopping as well, but I have tried to stop myself...not succeeding though :lol:. xx

3054 I dont think we have spoken yet but yay for your peak! We dont have any snow yet but its so cold here. Are you going to test on Christmas Day if no AF? I dont know if I would dare for the fear of my christmas being ruined but then again I would probably not be able to stop thinking about it! Fingers crossed you get a christmas BFP, how wonderful would that be? xx

Loopy, your doctor sounds about as much use as mine! I hope the information that MrsM found for you helps, and then your open evening too. Waiting times are absolutely pants but going private is so expensive. Hopefully you will get a BFP and not even need to go xx

Well, we are having a huge restructure at work of two departments and we have had a 4th supervisor appointed and there is now a vacancy for a deputy so I am sat trying to write my expression of interest but instead I am procrastinating on here and twitter. Argh.

We went out for a friends birthday last night and there was a huge queue for taxi's when we were leaving (hubs is at work today so couldnt stay too late) and we ended up walking. My phone told me it was -1 and we walked the best part of a mile and I had a jacket so thin I might as well have gone out in a nightie! Brrrr lol. Then I had a strange dream last night that I was sat eating, from the jar, just with a spoon, the jar or caramelised onion chutney I bought a couple of weeks ago...so now I am dream-craving! Bahh lol. I'm starving now and just deciding if I can face the chicken kebab that is in the fridge from last night. I have decided (for the moment anyway!) that so far, healthy eating and no drinking etc has not got me a BFP and where I live has one of the highest rates of teenage/unplanned pregnancy in Europe. That means that all these young girls who go out and get hammered end up pregnant...so I'm going to try their approach and not restrict myself over Christmas (maybe I'm just being selfish lol).

Right, I have to go and write this thing, and then write an idiot proof guide for work, do some wrapping before hubs gets home, then start the online food shopping, then do some christmas shopping, then bake some cupcakes for work, then cook dinner, then sort the dog out...phew, I'm knackered already!

Lots and lots of lovely sparkly, glittery, pretty pink and blue baby dust xxx

Its been very quiet on here, I hope everyone is ok.

Gizmoo the only person who knows we are ttc is my sister. I nearly told my mum but decided it would only cause hassle. He told his cousin but thats only because while I was away on a hen weekend his cousin stayed over and walked into our bedroom to wake hubs up one morning and saw my cbfm sticks. Being the bright lad he is he thought I was pg already :lol: I don't blame you for telling your friends you have stopped ttc, I couldn't handle the questions. I hate it that people keep making suggestive comments, they'd be a million times worse if they knew we were actually ttc.
:lol: at your dream craving - sounds like me! Walking home in the cold does not sound like fun, I normally wear silly shoes out and end up taking them off to walk home. Classy! Hope you are not working too hard.

Well I have been keeping a low profile as I was having a couple of down days, mostly work related but ttc has been bothering me. Completely fallen off the healthy eating/diet wagon but my oh my I have enjoyed it! Least I know what our new years resolution will be

xx

Hi ladies how are we all?

MrsM87 hope you are feeling better hun, I've been having a couple of down days too and like you its work mixed with ttc.

Betty have you had any results from your scan yet? Good luck hun. I asked my doctor is I could have one as I said the 21 day bloods show that I ov but it doesn't mean that there isn't an internal problem (as i had an op in the past) and she said no, there was no need.

Gizmoouk yep doctor's are pants! I haven't found a good one yet.

Well not much news from me, me and DH have been sorting out our 2nd bedroom as we've started doing it out but we're waiting to buy a few things until the January sales. I'm just getting impatient now waiting for the date for DH's 3rd SA test, just want something to count down to now. I'm going home on the weekend to see my parents they are goinng over my cousins house where all the family will be. My Mum is nagging me to go as I don't see them from one year to the next but my other cousin has just had a baby and I can't face having to hold her and the questions off everyone as to when we are going to start TTC and how we should huury up!! My parents both know that we're facing IVF and I can't face having to tell a white lie to everyone knowing that my parents know. I'm a rubbish lier its always written all over my face so I think its best if I just avoid the situation x

Hey everyone!

Loads of news from everyone, forgive me if I miss something. Sorry about the AFF BB, that's a shame. Maybe it'll be a New Year BFP for you?
Loopy - I am with you 100% - one of my relatives has just had a baby. I don't get on with my family anyway, but I have said a flat-out no to Xmas this year as I can't deal with the family-stress and them showing of their shiny new baby. They fell first try and I am sooooo sick of hearing about it. Yes, they are lucky and I am happy for them but I don't need to shoved it my face right now. I think avoidance is the best thing. You need to do what's best for you and not get stressed out, especially if you are about to start IVF.
Mrs M - I have also fallen off the wagon. Caffeine, alcohol, junk food - you name it, I have consumed it! Well done me. Strangely I don't feel guilty though. As you say, we can start again in 2012!! I am sorry you are feeling down, I think it's a lot to do with the time of year - short, dark days and this huge emphasis on family. Not what we all need at all.
Gizmook - like I said to Mrs M - I don't feel guilty about falling off the health-wagon. Mainly because for the last nine months I have done EVERYTHING I was supposed to, avoiding alcohol, caffeine, bad food but keeping my exercise up, trying not to be stressed. Has it helped - NO. All I have to show for it are three m/cs. So I have decided that boozing, lots of caffeine and junk food, being a couch potato over Xmas and putting myself forward for a stressful freelance project due to start in the New Year is definitely the way forward. Oh yes!!!
3054 - no snow here in London. BOOOOO. Congrats on your peak. I only had a two day peak this month, I thought we were meant to get a three day peak with CBFM so let me know how you get on.
Betty - I was really excited to read your psychic report. Did you find the fact that she said you would get pregnant reassuring? Or were you worried by the other stuff she said. It seemed like a balanced reading - you will get what you want but it's going to take a bit of time to get there...? I'm really sorry to hear about your loss last year, sounds like your hubby is taking care of you though. Really hope you're ok though.

As for me, it's been a crazy 10 days. Lots of family drama which I have managed to distance myself from. That kind of stress is something I don't need at the moment. I also went to my old-work's Xmas party the other day and they asked me if I'd be interested to come back freelance for this project I mentioned. I have decided I will put myself forward, after all I have nothing to lose. I had really hoped that I would be pregnant by now and it just hasn't happened, plus the project (assuming we can all agree a contract) should be done is 6 months so even if I manage to get pregnant right now - and I don't think that's likely straight after a miscarriage - I should be outta there long before a baby comes. Now I am just focussed one planning the next stage of novel which I will start in January, if this freelancing thing doesn't work out, and present wrapping, cooking, baking, and generally preparing for Xmas.

Oh and I am planning to test on the 20th. I say planning, knowing me, even though I think it would be a (Xmas) miracle if we got pregnant this month, I will probably end up poas earlier. I am so weak!

Better go - need to make some bread.

xxx

hi all i dont have a cbfm we are trying the smep plan this month. i already have a ds and i had a mc in september, but we are now ttc again. Am having period type pains is this normal mid cycle i have a 29 day cycle and am on day 14?

Also am thinking of buying a cbfm next month if smep plan doesnt work would you recommend them as they are quite pricey?