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thanks for your reply you know what im going through. i had a chat with oh and he gets it now. funny thing is dd still doesnt get it. her life begins and ends with idea im going to let her roam streets late at night at weekends. good student but a cow at home. so ive decided to be clever and not wear my heart on my sleeve. ive told her no snarling is going to change the fact an underage girl is not going to do what adults do. im concentrating instead on peace in the house an myself .im going to be selfish for once. im not going to entertain sulks etc going to look at ceiling if she squints at me or ill speak to others.