LOL I posted on page 1 I think.

:( ok fair enough

How is your pregnancy going? Hope your well :)

i claim benifits only because my oh is disabled and he can't look after our daughter and i am also expecting another child but i am doing a home training course so i can go to work when the kids are a bit older i have managed to get my mother inlaw to look after the yougest when i go back to work while my oldest goes to nursery i will only be working part time at first but when they go to school i will get more hours my parner is also going through a pain management course so he can try and get back to work not every one wants to be on benifits but sometimes you have no choice but the ones that do must have a reason to not wanting to work

lol Mummyx5, couldn't have put it better myself. Love the way you managed to sum up three pages of debate in about 10 words
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Joanne&brood - you on Facebook hun? or MSN or Yahoo? feel free to add me if ya like, to any/all/whichever lol

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i am a stay at home single mum on benefits.
immagrants come over and go straight onto benefits at the click of their fingers...i have payed tax and ni for 10 years before having my lo so like some of the others on here i think i'm entitled to it.
i never planned or wanted to claim, i only recently went on benefits when i had to coz i split from oh. my lo is only 14 months so i don't want to pay someone else to tell me at the end of each day about the new milestones my daughter has reached. i had a baby coz i wanted to bring it up myself, i had a partner to support me at the time.
i get annoyed with the young kids that have never worked then have babies to get benefits and housing for an easy life...they don't realise at the time have a baby full time is not getting an easy life. or when there are couples with kids and neither work...that is just pure laziness.
i do agree that some people take the piss out of the system, but find it unfair when people slate everyone on benefits.
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re:joanne&brood,wow i obviously touched a big nerve with you lol!! oh yes i did report my sceaming brother for abusing the system just a shame that more people dont!

Hi, I agree with both sides of this arguement.

I do think its good how the goverment do help people in need, sometimes in life we are not in control of things and do need help and to recieve this help is nice. However in this society we do have people that abuse it and I cant stand people who do this. I live in an area where most people do not work and scrounge, this is where the goverment let us down as I do believe they should be tougher.

I do not work myself and a stay at home mum my husband works an extreme amount of hours so that we can live comfortably and for me to stay at home.

About a year ago though we hit a troubled patch in our lives and split for 3 months, in this period my husband did pay maintenance and helped as much as he could but you cant live apart on one wage therefore I did recieve help with rent and tax credits but didnt recieve income support due to the maintenance. We were very grateful for this and it did help but as soon as we resolved our problems and he moved back home we were back to paying full wack on everything.

I will say though for people that knock the goverment, you never know when your siuation may change and you may need that added help, at the end of the day we all live to our means wether you are on a high wage or low wage you always struggle in one way or another. I does make me angry when there are people that can work but choose not to.

Sorry dont mean to offend and hope I make sense as I struggle to put things in the right words.

Anyway good luck to all xxxx

i get so angry about this to, some one my hubby works with only works basic hours but goes on 2 week hols in the sun, weekends a way all the time has loads of money to waist down the pub etc all because his girlfriend hasnt said he has moved in so they have all the benifits etc and his wages where as my hubby has to work every hour of overtime possible and we cant afford a holiday. i also have known someone whos partner did the min number of hours at college just to stay on benifits and so he didnt have to work to pay for a child from a previous relationship too. he now has about 7 kids with loads of different women and the tax payers are paying for them. iv also spoken to a mv that was saying that when polish women are giving back paperwork is suppost to be done so the nhs doesnt pay, but it never gets done, just another thing that we shouldnt pay for. i know people that really need it should have it and they dont have it easy, i cant imagine how hard it is for those single mums but it makes me so made that its so easy for some people to just take the p**s and never get caught

RE: partygirl, no you haven't ''touched a big nerve'' with me

It's a debate isn't it?

And I have asked you questions that you are clearly ignoring/unable to answer but I suppose the latter is the answer though isn't it?

I am on benefits and it is no-ones business why I am but I have my reasons. Don't think you should judge people on benefits when you do not know the reason why they are on it!

siandonna your so right, thats what pisses me off, not so much that they do it cos theres people doing illegal things all the time, but the fact that none of these people seem to get caught, If the police took it more seriously and these people that are swindling money by working cash in hand and claiming, or living with a partner and not telling any one etc, were given a criminal record and made to pay it back, that sort of thing, i dont think so many people would take the piss

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totally agree hun, well said, i am not on benifits apart from working family tax but i think some people have a right to be on them x

im getting so grumpy in my old age,lol, i just feel like this country has lost contol. if you go to other counties you have to jump through so many hoops to be let in, claim benifits and get health care etc. i think france has recently changed there rules so you have to live there 5 years before getting free health care. its not being mean, there just protecting them selves. our stupid country is a big joke. people come here just to give birth on the nhs, get benifits and go back home after a couple of months. cant the govenment see, people are taking the mickey. its on the tv all the time people that cant get the latest cancer drugs on the nhs, but we will supply free health care fot the whole of europe if there just turn up. grrrrrr. bring back the old britain where we had some control and looked out for our little contry

siandonna you've made a good point. I remember seeing on the news a few months back about how immigrant mothers are putting a massive strain on maternity services in this country. We are hugely short of midwives as it is and these people are depriving British women of their right to good quality maternity care, which many don't get anymore. I think that people should only be allowed into this country if they have a job to come to or, if they haven't found a job after a certain amount of time, send them home. I am by no means racist and have absolutely no problem with foreign people coming to live here as long as they pay their way. Its like some girls on this forum who have genuinely needed to claim benefits for a short time to tide them over and have been told they don't qualify, when they've worked hard and paid in all their lives. Then Mr and Mrs Whoever come over in the back of a lorry with some sob story about how hard THEIR life is in their country, and a life of luxury is handed to them on a plate at the expense us all. The system is a joke x

My friend has been at the hospital for over 24hrs now waiting to be induced because they are to busy and yesterday a lady was turned away from brighton hospital cos no room and had her baby in the car park of haywards heath about 45 mins away!!!!! unbelievable xxx

Its an idea - why dont we have a system similar to frances? Why do we just let them come in and take everything?

I'm not a racist, and i know that they come and do jobs that maybe british people dont want to do (Or do they!?!) but do we really need to let so many in? There are thousands of immigrants here only to claim the benefits, because it is widely known that it is a great system compared to other countries.

My dad once encountered a lady, not sure where she was from, who could barey speak english. She knew enough english to askk him where she went to get the 'free' money.

I think that says it all!

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Wow this could get really heated, race seems to bring out massive rows even bigger than the bf v's ff.

I hate to say it because it really means you are, so instead of saying I am not racist I will say I am racist when foreign people want to change my way of life, I think we have to many imigrants I think it is the governments fault, we are a frickin island so could be as choosy as Oz as to who we take in and have it on our terms more. Once in this country all to many seem to know what a soft bloody touch we are and not only do our councils now HAVE to keep a certain amount of houses to one side for imigrants who may not have even arrived yet which people that are already here NEED our government feels it ought to change all of our countries values to accomodate these people?!?!?!? if I moved to a foreign country I would move there because I wanted to and liked their ways and so would not try to turn it into a mini version of my home country. We need to find balance with the multi cultural society we have now before adding anymore obsticles.

That saying about sort your own back yard out before trying to sort others springs to mind. perhaps someone should tell Mr Brown?

i know this is going off the original subject slightly now but it makes me made that in our area we cant even get our kids into our local school let alone trying to choose a good one like you use to be able to. i cant see we are breeding that quick so must be the people coming in. they are building so many new home down her it is un real yet there are load of locals needing council housing and not getting it, not to mention where are all the schools, docs, hospital to accomidate everyone. also i get really angry when our kids cant do nativity plays, as it may offend other religions. we are loosing our identity as a country. i have no problem with my kids learning about other religions but they still need to have there own culture and identity. if i went to live in another country i would expect me and my kids to change a lot to fit in with them, and so we should if we liked there country enough to go there.

you are right, it's probably only a matter of time before they ban Christmas!