i totally agree joanne. i put my opinion on here way back on page 1 or 2 and havent read for a while and i was quite shocked by the way this debate has turned. the idea was to put forward your opinion on how you feel about the topic not to personally insult anyone. prettygirls did not pic out names and insult those people she just put her opinion across (sometimes not greatly as joanne said). it has turned into a headhunt and is a very worrying situation when the reason we come on here is for support and friendship. lets hope we can put this post behind us and still rely on each other for support.xx

this is getting ridiculous, all pretty girl was saying was that alot of people take advantage and openly brag about how much benefits they are getting, i know some one who has specifically had more children so that they get more benefits and to get a bigger council house THAT IS TAKING THE PISS!!!! pretty girl wasnt saying that EVERYONE that is on benefits is on it because they cant be bothered to work, she was just saying "does it piss you off when people take advantage?" and everyone is getting so heated and abusive when it didnt need to get to that stage, guys chill out!! xx

o.k i'll be the first to apologise i had a bad day yesterday and i suppose everyone has the right to think whatever they want. i will agree that this thread is getting out of hand and i'll not be posting on it again

Yeh i think some people on here are taking offence unnecessarily. I think the majority of what prettygirl has said is that it is the people who dont need benefits that continue to claim them (i.e the Keith Miller from Eastenders types) that are the problem, not sahm that can't work etc. As long as you know you are claiming benefits for a genuine and honest reason (which most mums do) then i dont see any problem?

Emma i think that is it exactly, well said hun :) xx

I just dont understand when ppl say they are happy with their lives and know they are only claiming benefits because they have to (which i have no doubt for many is very true) but then completely fly off the handle because somebody says they want their children to be proud of them for working?? As long as you are all comfortable with the way you live your lives then there is really no need to care what other ppl think. I too want my kids to be proud of me because i work ( and i am proud of myself because i work) but that does not for one moment mean that i think children of sahm's shouldn't be proud of them, just for different things thats all.

yea exactly, i work 3 days a week doing 11 our days cos its the only way i could work and afford to pay for childcare, but i am very lucky that i am able to do my job in those hours, i am trying for another baby and it would be physically impossible to have 2 children in childcare and me work, it just wouldn't make financial sense, so once i have had my second baby i will have probably 2 years off as i want to go back to colleage to do an NVQ as a nursery nurse, so this is one example when i feel it is ok to not work, (plus my partner will be working the whole time) this is completley different, to having a partner and myself just staying at home because we cant be bothered to work which also happens, i just think that benefits are there for people like us on this forum who have thought it all through and are doing there best for our families :)
P.S what is SAHM? xx

sorry it stands for Stay At Home Mum

oooooooooooo what a thicko LOL thanks :)

thanx joanne&broode,angel and twizzlepie, im sorry if i offended anyone but it was just a debate,i have also reported it to the moderator as i felt it got a little out of hand with the personal attacks,i think that went to far.x
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i would have done the same i was thinking as i was reading through should people be able to write this stuff, so the moderators can decide xxx

I agree...the personal insults were a step too far!we should all be supporting one another,even if we dont always agree with others opinions,well isnt that life?no need for name calling...take care all x

love you all LOL!!! **big hugs!!!** xxx

yes i agree we're all adults the name calling and swearing just made ppl look a bit silly x

I agree this subject has got a bit out of hand, I would like to apologise if what i said offended anyone, I hope I put my views accross in a way that didnt offend but if they did then I am sorry xxx

I would just like to take this oppitunity to apologize and if i affended anyone then i am sorry,i am just like everyone else on the forum a mummy...i will learn by my mistakes by trying not to be so opinionated and i admit i am not the most tactfull person in the world! it should never of gone this far...it was the end for me when i read all the name calling and personal insults nobody deserves that! hope to chat on other threads soon.claudia.xxx

hey prettygirl as i said in my previous thread I hope nothing I said offended you I know i didnt name call and admit that did get too much which is why I logged off last night as you rightly say we are all mummys and all want support. I do agree with you that people who take the mickey are wrong but sometimes and for the majority some benefits are an invaluable support. xx

hiya everyone, i have just read all the opinions on this thread and can i just say this is the exact reason i haven't been on here in months, everything is always taken out of context and everyone has there own opinion but on here it doesn't seem to be allowed anymore without someone completely bitching! i used to enjoy this site and have made a good few friends and all i can say is thank god for like of face book and bebo! and just take into consideration that this site is for mums and mums to be get advice and to give not to completely slag and slate people xx